'We were treated like enemies of society': Japan's dangerous hardcore punk scene looks back to its roots

Japanese hardcore punk - a scene marked by violence, rebellion, and creativity - is looking back on its roots with nostalgia and pride. The genre, which emerged in the 1980s, was characterized by its raw energy, aggressive sound, and DIY ethos.

"I was always looking for fast rhythms," says Minoru Ogawa, bassist of Lip Cream, one of Japan's earliest hardcore bands. "I'd dig through western hardcore records at UK Edison record store, asking staff for recommendations." This obsession with Western punk helped shape the Japanese scene, which drew inspiration from Discharge, Chaos UK, Dead Kennedys, and Disorder.

Lip Cream's music was marked by its ferocity and unpredictability, qualities that defined much of the early hardcore sound. Ogawa has said that everything he experienced in the Comes ended up fueling his drive with Lip Cream. "It wasn't that I wanted to change what I did - I just wanted to keep moving," he explains.

The Japanese scene was also marked by its isolation and exclusion. Punks were often treated like enemies of society, facing discrimination on trains and in job applications. Ishiya, frontman of Death Side, recalls the pressure to conform to mainstream norms. "Our basic stance was to rebel against society and 'common sense'," he says. "We chose a look that mainstream society wouldn't accept."

This tension between conformity and rebellion created an environment where violence was not only tolerated but also encouraged. Bands like GISM and Death Side were known for their intense live performances, which often featured violent outbursts from fans and band members alike.

Despite the challenges, many Japanese punks saw their scene as a source of empowerment and community. "There was a sense of rivalry but I think it was more like sharpening one another," says Ishiya. The individualism of the scene allowed bands to develop unique sounds and styles, with some experimenting in strange and innovative ways.

The impact of this scene can still be felt today, with Japanese hardcore influencing bands around the world. The release of reissued albums from the 1980s is a testament to the enduring power of this underground movement.

Ishiya's theories on why violence was so prevalent in the Japanese hardcore scene range from samurai influences to post-war trauma. However, he also suggests that Japan's unique musical heritage - rooted in forms like geinō kayōkyoku, enka, and folk - helped fuel the genre's intensity. "If one rebels, one will likely move in a unique direction," he says.

The legacy of Japanese hardcore punk continues to inspire new generations of punks and fans alike. As Ishiya says, being a punk makes you a minority, but that value lies in its ability to bring people together and create something truly original.
 
the japanese hardcore scene is like nothin' i've ever seen before 🀯 it's all about embracin the raw energy & rebellion, you feel? i mean, those bands were all about breakin free from society norms & creatin their own thing πŸ’₯ it's so inspiring to see how they drew inspiration from western punk & turned it into somethin' unique. and yeah, the violence was definitely a part of it all πŸ€• but at the same time, it's clear that these guys were all about findin each other & creatin this community, you know? πŸ’–
 
🀘 the japanese hardcore scene was all about raw energy & creativity 🎸πŸ”₯ it's no wonder they drew inspiration from western punk bands like discharge & chaos uk who were already pushing boundaries with their music & live shows back in the day πŸ’₯ i mean, can you imagine being part of a movement that was all about rebelling against society & creating something entirely new? that takes courage & passion πŸ€— minoru ogawa's story is so inspiring - digging through records at uk edison record store asking staff for recs just to find the perfect sound... talk about dedication πŸ’― and death side's frontman ishiya's words hit home for me too, the rivalry between bands was all about sharpening each other, not tearing each other down 🀝 what i love most about this scene is how it brought people together & created a sense of community that's still felt today 🌎 even though it was tough back in the day, those punks knew they had something special πŸ’–
 
I'm low-key obsessed with the history of Japanese hardcore punk 🀘! The way it emerged from Western influences but still had this unique samurai vibe is so fascinating πŸ•ŠοΈ. I can imagine Minoru Ogawa digging through records at that UK Edison store, totally inspired by those fast rhythms 😎. And yeah, it's crazy how the scene was all about rebellion and conformity, with some bands being super intense live πŸ’₯.

But what I love most is how this underground movement created a sense of community and individuality among its fans 🌈. It's like, the Japanese hardcore scene may have been tough, but it still brought people together in a way that's so inspiring πŸ’–. And now we get to see reissued albums from the 80s, which is totally awesome 🎧!
 
omg u know i was just listening to some old lip cream tracks the other day and it's crazy how much influence they had on the japanese hardcore scene 🀯 i mean, it's like they're talking about the importance of DIY ethos and finding inspiration in western punk bands... same vibes as the early days of american hardcore like black flag and the misfits 🎸

and can we talk about the raw energy of this genre? it's like a punch to the face (in the best possible way) πŸ”₯ minoru ogawa's story is so inspiring, digging through western records at uk edison record store... that's some serious dedication πŸ’ͺ

anyway, i think it's awesome how japanese hardcore punk has had such an impact on music today 🌟 and i'm loving the fact that they're still reissuing old albums from the 80s... keeps the spirit of the scene alive πŸ”₯
 
I think the nostalgia surrounding Japanese hardcore punk is really interesting... πŸ€” The way it taps into this sense of rebellion and nonconformity is fascinating - it's like they were trying to shake off all these societal expectations and just be themselves, you know? And I love how it was influenced by Western punk bands, but also drew from Japan's unique musical heritage. It's like they took these raw energy and aggressive sounds and infused them with this Japanese aesthetic that was really unique at the time... πŸ’₯
 
omg this scene is so fascinating ! 🀯 i mean those japanese punks were all about living life on their own terms & pushing boundaries - it's inspiring to see how they created such an intense community around music & art. the fact that it's still influencing bands today is a testament to its power & legacy πŸ’₯ minoru ogawa's story, like digging through western hardcore records at this uk edison store, is just so cool 🎸 and i love how ishiya thinks about the scene being influenced by samurai vibes & post-war trauma - it adds another layer of depth to what made japanese hardcore so unique πŸ”₯
 
I think it's cool how the Japanese hardcore scene was all about raw energy & creativity 🀘. They were definitely influenced by Western punk bands, but they also brought their own unique sounds & styles to the table. It's no wonder that bands like Lip Cream & Death Side are still inspiring new music today πŸ’₯.

I love how Ishiya talks about the individualism of the scene allowing bands to experiment with different sounds & styles 🎨. And I can see why violence was a thing in the early days – it's not hard to imagine being part of a community where you're already an outsider 😬. But at the same time, it's great that many punks saw their scene as a source of empowerment & connection.

It's also interesting how Ishiya suggests that Japan's musical heritage influenced the genre's intensity πŸ”₯. I can see why that would be the case – there's definitely something about Japanese music that has a unique energy to it 🎡.

Overall, I think the legacy of Japanese hardcore punk is still really powerful today πŸ’ͺ. It's amazing how one underground movement can continue to inspire new generations of fans & musicians alike πŸ”₯.
 
OMG u no how much i love japanese hardcore punk!!! πŸ€˜πŸ‡―πŸ‡΅ its like they took all the energy & anger of the 80s western scene & turned it into something TRULY unique 🎸 they were so influenced by western records but still managed to create this raw, unapologetic sound that spoke 2 their generation πŸ’₯ like lip cream & death side r total legends πŸ”₯ minoru ogawa & ishiya are literally the ultimate bassists πŸ€Ÿβ€β™‚οΈ & i love how they talked about how their experiences in japan's underground scene shaped them into who they are today πŸ’• it's so cool to see how japanese hardcore punk has influenced bands all around the world 🌎 especially w/ the reissue of old albums from the 80s πŸ“€πŸ‘
 
🀘 the japanese hardcore punk scene is still fire πŸ’₯ even tho it's been around for ages they were all about rebellion & creativity, it was like a big ol' family πŸ€œπŸ€› and despite being super intense, it brought ppl together 🌈 and their influence can still be felt today 🎸 i mean, who wouldn't wanna be part of a scene that's all about pushing boundaries & expressing yourself freely? πŸ’–
 
πŸ€– the scene's raw energy still resonates, 40 years on 🎸 it's interesting how japanese hardcore punk drew from western influences while maintaining its own unique identity πŸ’₯ i wonder if the samurai influence is more than just a theory 🐍 minor details like geinō kayōkyoku and enka might've played a role in shaping that intensity πŸ””
 
omg lol i'm so stoked 2 hear about the japanese hardcore scene!!! 🀘 they were like totally rebellious & violent back in the day (1980s) but also super creative & DIY lol minoru ogawa from lip cream is giving me all the vibes w/ his love 4 western hardcore records 🎸 i can imagine him digging thru those records at uk edison record store, asking staff 4 recs πŸ€”

anywayz, japanese hardcore was def marked by its isolation & exclusion... like, punks were treated like outcasts & faced discrimination on trains & in job apps 🚫 but also, it created an environment where they could be super intense & violent live 😲 death side & gism were known 4 their wild shows, lol

but even w/ all the drama & violence, japanese hardcore was still about community & empowerment πŸ€œπŸ€› i think that's what makes it so iconic & inspiring 2 this day πŸ’₯ and yeah, ishiya's theories on samurai influences & post-war trauma are SO intriguing... maybe japanese hardcore was just a reflection of japan's unique musical heritage 🎢
 
🀘 the japanese hardcore scene is still giving me chills thinking about it... all that raw energy and rebellious spirit, it's like they were tapping into this collective frustration and channeling it into music 🎸. and yeah, i can imagine how hard it must've been to navigate those underground shows and clubs where you had to fight for attention - or even worse, get rejected by mainstream society 🀯.

but what i love about the japanese hardcore scene is that despite all the craziness and intensity, there was this sense of community and belonging among punks... like they were all in on some secret, hidden world where they could be themselves without fear of judgment πŸ’–. it's no wonder their influence can still be felt today, with bands around the world drawing inspiration from those DIY ethos and rebellious sounds 🌎. anyway, i'm just gonna keep playing lip cream's music on repeat for a bit while i contemplate the beauty (and chaos) of japanese hardcore 🎢
 
I remember when I was younger and just starting out with music... the energy and passion of those early days is still palpable πŸ’₯. The Japanese hardcore scene was like nothing else - it was raw, unbridled, and completely true to itself 🀘. It's amazing to see how that fire still burns today πŸ•―οΈ. I think what really set them apart was their willingness to challenge the status quo and push boundaries πŸ”’. And yeah, there were some wild times... but at its core, it was about community and creative expression πŸ’–. The influence of Western punk is still there, but you can also hear that unique Japanese flavor 🎡. As Ishiya says, being a punk isn't just about rebelling against society - it's about finding your own way and creating something new 🌟.
 
πŸ€– the whole "Japanese hardcore scene was all about violence and rebellion" thing is kinda overhyped πŸ™„. sure, it was intense, but it was also super isolated and cliquey 🚫. like, yeah, they were rebels against society, but that just made them a bunch of outcasts themselves πŸ‘Ž. and don't even get me started on the whole "samurai influences" thing πŸ˜’. like, japan has so much more to its musical heritage than just some ancient warrior culture πŸ”₯.

and let's not forget about the DIY ethos πŸ€œπŸ€›. it wasn't all about raw energy and aggression, it was also about creativity and experimentation 🎨. lip cream's music was super influential, but they weren't the only ones pushing boundaries πŸ’ͺ. like, death side was doing their own thing too 🀘.

anyway, the whole scene may have been intense, but it was also super underground πŸ”. and that's what made it so special ⚑️. the fact that it inspired bands around the world is a testament to its power πŸ’₯.
 
I think the Japanese hardcore scene was super underground and cool 🀘, I mean, who wouldn't want to be part of this rebellious world? But at the same time, I'm like totally not sure if it's a good thing that violence was kinda encouraged... πŸ€” I mean, isn't that just gonna lead to more problems? And what's with the whole conformity vs rebellion thing? Wasn't it just better to find some middle ground and get along? πŸ˜• But on the other hand, isn't this kind of individualism what made the scene so special in the first place? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ I guess I'm all over the map on this one... πŸš€
 
this scene was like a weirdo family lol... they were all about being different & rebelling against the norm which is actually kinda inspiring 🀘 minoru ogawa's story is so cool how he used to go through western hardcore records at this store in japan, that's some dedication 🎸 i feel like japanese hardcore punk was always about finding your own identity & style, not just following what others were doing. and yeah, the whole scene being kinda violent & intense was part of its charm... but also a reminder that it wasn't all fun & games πŸ€• still love how they've managed to keep the spirit of this underground movement alive though πŸ’ͺ
 
🀘 The Japanese hardcore scene is like nothing else - it's this wild mix of intensity & creativity πŸŒͺ️. I mean, can you imagine creating music in a country where the government's all about conformity? πŸ˜‚ You gotta admire how those punks turned that into fuel for their rebellious sound πŸ”₯. It's crazy to think about now but back then, they were literally fighting against the system & it showed in their music 🎸. Even with all the violence & drama, there's this weird sense of community among fans - like they knew each other's pain πŸ’”. And now Japanese hardcore's influencing bands worldwide? That's just mind-blowing 🌟.
 
😊 The nostalgia is real with this Japanese hardcore punk scene looking back on its roots! It's crazy to think about how this genre emerged in the 80s, influenced by Western bands like Discharge and Dead Kennedys. Minoru Ogawa's love for fast rhythms from UK records really helped shape the sound.

But what's wild is how this scene was marked by both creativity and chaos - I mean, violent outbursts on stage? 🀯 It's no wonder it felt isolating, with fans facing discrimination everywhere they went. Still, bands like Death Side found a way to channel that energy into something empowering for the community.

It's cool to see how this scene has influenced global music and continues to inspire newbies. And Ishiya's theories on samurai vibes and post-war trauma being part of its intensity are pretty thought-provoking. The DIY ethos was definitely key, with each band trying to forge their own path in a scene that wasn't always welcoming.

All in all, the Japanese hardcore punk legacy is truly something special - a testament to how music can be both a source of community and individuality. 🀘
 
🀘 the japanese hardcore scene was all about embracing the raw energy & chaos πŸŒͺ️ it's no wonder their sound still holds up today - those guys knew how to tap into the rebel spirit πŸ’₯ but at the same time, i think they took things a bit too far with the violence & aggression... maybe it's because they were so passionate about creating something new? πŸ€” anyway, it's cool to see them looking back on their roots with pride πŸ™ and recognizing how that DIY ethos helped shape an entire genre 🎸
 
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