Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

UK Draft Document Suggests Circumcision Could Be Classified as Child Abuse Amid Controversy Over Procedure's Safety

A recent draft document by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has sparked heated debate over the classification of circumcision as a potential form of child abuse. The guidelines, which are intended to help prosecutors assess cases involving honour-based abuse and other practices, have alarmed some religious groups and experts alike.

The document states that while male genital mutilation is specifically criminalized in the UK, "there is not a specific criminal offence of carrying out male circumcision." However, it also acknowledges that improper or reckless circumcision can be considered a form of child abuse or an offence against the person.

Critics argue that the draft guidelines are misleading and unfairly stigmatize the cultural practice of circumcision. Jonathan Arkush, a former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, described the wording as "deeply pejorative" and insisted that any procedure carried out inappropriately or without proper controls could be considered abusive.

The Jewish community has long maintained stringent standards for circumcision to ensure its safety and legitimacy. Rabbi Jonathan Romain defended circumcision as an "enormously powerful symbolic act of identity," but acknowledged the need for improved training and regulation to protect young boys from harm.

Meanwhile, Muslim leaders have expressed support for stronger safeguards and accreditation systems to regulate circumcisions performed by non-medical practitioners. The Muslim Council of Britain noted that male circumcision is a lawful practice in the UK with recognized medical, religious, and cultural foundations, but warned that irresponsible practices should be addressed through the criminal justice system.

Experts like Gordon Muir, a London-based consultant urological surgeon, have long argued that circumcision is unnecessary and can cause harm. He advocates for waiting until children are 16 or more to make informed decisions about the procedure.

The CPS guidelines come on the heels of recent high-profile cases involving improperly performed circumcisions, which resulted in serious harm and even death. The National Secular Society welcomed the guidelines, but emphasized the need to prevent harm from occurring in the first place rather than relying solely on the criminal justice system.

As the debate surrounding circumcision as a potential form of child abuse continues, experts and religious leaders are urging greater regulation and education to ensure the practice is carried out safely and responsibly.
 
I'm so worried about this πŸ€•, I mean, who decides what's considered "abuse" anyway? It seems like they're just trying to make a point by saying that circumcision could be classified as abuse, but not really thinking it through... Like, isn't the main concern with some shady practitioners cutting up kids without proper training and equipment? πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ I'm all for safety first, but let's focus on getting those bad apples in check rather than stigmatizing whole communities. And honestly, shouldn't we be focusing on education and consent from a younger age so that kids can make informed decisions about their own bodies? πŸ™„
 
I'm shocked by how fast the conversation around circumcision has gone from being a legitimate medical procedure to being labeled as potentially abusive 😱. It's like we're losing sight of what this actually entails - a rite of passage for many cultures, including mine 🀝.

The stats on improper circumcisions are alarming, but that doesn't mean we should be demonizing an entire practice just yet πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. I think the key here is to find some balance between cultural sensitivity and ensuring our kids' safety πŸ’‘.

It's also worth considering why circumcision has become such a contentious issue in the first place πŸ‘€. Is it because of social media amplifying every negative story, or have we genuinely lost touch with what this practice means for communities? πŸ€”
 
I'm not sure why circumcision has become such a sensitive topic πŸ€”. I mean, I get that it's an important part of some cultures, but at the same time, isn't there a way to make sure it's done safely? It's just weird that we're even debating this in 2025... shouldn't we have figured out how to do it right by now? πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ Anyway, I think what bothers me most is that some people are using the term "child abuse" to describe these procedures without really understanding the context or the cultural significance. Can't we just have a nuanced conversation about this instead of demonizing an entire community? πŸ™„
 
I'm really worried about this one πŸ€”... I mean, I get that the government's trying to help protect kids, but it seems like they're going after something super personal for people of faith πŸ™. Like, what's next? Are we gonna start regulating marriages or something? πŸ˜‚ No seriously though, circumcision is a big deal for some communities, and if we're not careful we can end up stigmatizing an important tradition that's been passed down for centuries πŸ’”. I just hope they can find a way to balance safety with respect for people's cultural backgrounds 🀞.
 
Ugh, can you believe this? Like, I get that we gotta protect kids from harm, but the way they're framing circumcision is just... πŸ€”πŸ‘€. It's like, we know it's not a walk in the park, but come on! The Jewish community's been doing it for thousands of years and it's just become a rite of passage for them. And the Muslim side, yeah sure, accidents can happen, but stigmatizing the whole thing? That's just not cool πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ.

And what's with all this "circumcision is unnecessary" business? Like, I'm no expert, but isn't it a basic human right to choose what happens to their own body? 16 and above, that's just an arbitrary number πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. Can't we just have a calm conversation about the procedure instead of turning it into some kind of medical controversy? It's like, can't we all just get along and respect each other's differences? 😊
 
πŸ€” i think its kinda wild that the government is trying to regulate something thats been done for thousands of years πŸ™Œ in multiple cultures already. like circumcision isnt even a thing in many parts of the world, so why are we trying to stigmatize it here? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ and what about all the legit jewish and muslim communities who have these practices as part of their culture? 🀝 shouldn't they get some sort of special exemption or something? πŸ€” and whats with the 16 year old thing? like, cant parents just make an informed decision for themselves? πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ anyway, i think its great that the National Secular Society is on board with this, but we need to be careful not to stigmatize entire communities over something thats been done safely and responsibly for ages πŸ™
 
πŸ€” I'm so over this. Circumcision is already heavily regulated in the UK, but now we're expected to believe it's not safe? πŸ™„ I mean, come on, what's next? Saying that getting a vaccine is child abuse because of some random freaky reaction? πŸ˜‚ The Muslim community has been practicing circumcision for centuries and has a strict code of conduct to ensure its safety. And from where are these so-called "experts" coming up with their claims that it's unnecessary and can cause harm? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ No sources, no evidence, just a bunch of armchair critics trying to stir up controversy. πŸ“° Let's not jump to conclusions here.
 
I'm like totally confused about this whole thing 🀯 Circumcision being considered child abuse? I mean, it's not all bad, right? My friend's cousin had it done when he was a kid and he's good now 😊 But at the same time, if it's done wrongly or without proper care, that's a totally different story. You gotta be careful with those little guys πŸ€•

I think it's kinda cool that there are people from different faiths saying their voices should be heard, like Rabbi Jonathan Romain and Muslim leaders πŸ™ But then again, I've also seen some pretty sketchy circumcision videos online 😳 That stuff is just plain wrong. And experts like Gordon Muir saying it's unnecessary? Eh, maybe for them, but what about people who want to do it as a cultural thing or for medical reasons? Don't they deserve some respect too? πŸ€”

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this whole issue needs more nuance and understanding. We can't just slap a label on something without thinking about the implications πŸ™ƒ Can we find a way to regulate circumcision safely while still respecting people's choices? That's the question, right?
 
Wow 🀯! I cant believe how serious this topic has gotten in the UK right now. circumcision has been a part of so many cultures for centuries and its crazy that some people think its abusive... Interesting πŸ’­, maybe we should just have more open conversations about it?
 
I think this whole thing is super confusing 🀯. Like, what's wrong with having some sort of guidelines in place for circumcisions? It's not like they're trying to ban it or anything πŸ˜‚. And I feel bad for all the people who are getting hurt by poorly performed circumcisions - that's just terrible πŸ’”.

But at the same time, I get why some people might be worried about stigmatizing certain cultural practices 🀝. Like, circumcision is a big deal in some communities, and it's not something that you can just dismiss or mock 😊. And I'm all for education and regulation - if we're gonna do this, let's make sure we do it right πŸ“š.

I think the key here is to have an open and honest conversation about circumcision, and to find ways to balance our concerns with each other's needs πŸ’¬. We need to listen to each other's perspectives and try to find common ground 🀝. And if that means re-examining some of the existing laws and guidelines, then so be it πŸ™.

It's not an easy issue to navigate, but I think we can do better than just shouting at each other over the internet πŸ˜‚. We need to work together to find solutions that actually make a difference πŸ’ͺ.
 
the draft doc is kinda concerning... i mean, circumcision's been around for centuries and its totally fine when done right πŸ€” but yeah, all these cases where kids get hurt during procedures is super alarming πŸ’” gotta make sure its regulated properly, especially with non-medical practitioners doing it πŸ’‰ anyway, i think we need to have a more nuanced convo about this... not just saying circumcision's bad or good, but really understanding the cultural and religious significance behind it 🌎 also, gotta give props to those experts like Gordon Muir who are speaking up about the risks of unnecessary procedures πŸ‘
 
OMG 🀯 this is getting so wild!!! I'm literally obsessed with the fact that there's a doc that says circumcision could be considered child abuse 😱 like what even is that?! I get why some people are upset, but can't we just have open conversations about this instead of stigmatizing an entire culture? πŸ€” I mean, I've had friends who got circumcised and they're totally fine, so what's the harm? πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ The fact that there are different opinions on it is kinda cool, though. Maybe we can learn something from each other? πŸ’¬
 
I think it's a bit concerning that we're having to draft guidelines that could potentially stigmatize a cultural practice like circumcision πŸ€”. I mean, sure, there are risks associated with any medical procedure, but let's not forget that the Jewish community has been doing this for centuries and has a long history of taking steps to ensure its safety πŸ™. And from what I've read, Muslim leaders want stronger safeguards in place to prevent irresponsible practitioners from causing harm πŸ’‘.

I'm also not convinced that circumcision is inherently 'abusive' just because it's not strictly regulated 😐. As some experts are saying, maybe we should be focusing on education and informed consent rather than trying to pin this on a specific practice πŸ“š. And let's not forget that there are plenty of reputable medical professionals out there who would never put a child through unnecessary harm πŸ’‰.

I think it's time for us to have a more nuanced conversation about the role of circumcision in our society, one that takes into account both its cultural significance and its potential risks 🀝. We need to find a balance between respecting different traditions and protecting the welfare of our children 🌟.
 
I'm super concerned about this whole thing πŸ€•. I mean, who wants to label something that's been done for centuries in certain communities as abuse? It just feels like another example of how our society is getting more judgemental by the day πŸ™…β€β™‚οΈ. I get where they're coming from with the safety concerns, but let's not stigmatize an entire culture just yet 🀝. We should be focusing on making sure that any procedure done is safe and informed consent-based, regardless of cultural background πŸ’‘.
 
I think it's crazy that there's even a draft document suggesting circumcision could be classified as child abuse in the UK 🀯. I mean, come on, we're not talking about some ancient ritual here, we're talking about a medical procedure that's been done for thousands of years! The idea that improper or reckless circumcision could be considered abusive is pretty alarmist.

I get that there are concerns about safety and regulation, but classifying the entire practice as child abuse seems like overkill to me πŸ™„. I've read some really interesting stuff on how Judaism and Islam view circumcision as a rite of passage and a way to establish identity, so it's not like this is just some arbitrary Western thing.

The fact that experts are saying we should be waiting until kids are 16 or more to make informed decisions about the procedure just seems common sense to me πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. And I've seen some really scary stories about people getting botched circumcisions, so maybe it's time for some regulation and education?

But let's not forget that there are actually some serious issues with circumcision being done by unqualified practitioners, especially in certain communities... it's like a ticking time bomb waiting to happen 😬. So yeah, I think we need some safeguards in place, but let's be real, this isn't just about the practice itself, it's about making sure our kids are protected πŸ€—.

As for me, I'm not even sure where I stand on this one... part of me wants to defend circumcision as a cultural and religious tradition, but another part of me is like "hey, let's make sure our kids are safe!" πŸ€”. Guess that's what happens when you're trying to navigate these super complex issues! πŸ’­
 
πŸ€” this is getting too complicated for me... I just want my kid to feel safe & comfortable about their body πŸ™. Can't we all agree on that? 🀝 let's focus on educating people about proper procedures, rather than stigmatizing an innocent practice 🚫 circumcision is a part of many cultures, but it shouldn't come with fear or shame πŸ’•
 
I'm totally confused about this new draft doc from the CPS πŸ€”. They're suggesting that circumcision could be considered child abuse if it's not done properly? That just doesn't sit right with me, you know? I mean, I get where they're coming from - we need to protect kids from harm and all that - but stigmatizing a cultural practice like this is a big no-no. The Jewish community has been doing circumcisions for ages and they've got it down pat 😊. And what about the Muslim guys who just want to do it themselves? It's not right to force them to follow these strict guidelines.

And have you heard about Gordon Muir's views on circumcision? He thinks it's unnecessary and can cause harm... but what's wrong with letting parents decide for their kids, you know? πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ I just think we need more education and regulation on this issue rather than jumping to conclusions. It's a tricky one, for sure πŸ‘€.
 
I'm so concerned about this 😱... like, I get that there's some bad stuff happening with circumcisions but come on! πŸ™„ We need to be careful not to stigmatize a whole bunch of good people who just want to do what they think is right for their families. I mean, Rabbi Romain says it's an "enormously powerful symbolic act of identity" and I can see that! πŸ’• But at the same time, we gotta make sure those young guys are safe, you know? 🀝 Maybe we should just educate everyone on what they're getting into instead of going to prison? 😊
 
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